If you're going to interview Lorde, take note. The New Zealand singer was interviewed in The Telegraph's Stella magazine this weekend and the result is basically a step-by-step guide as to why Lorde is currently the most badass pop star to interview.
Ready? Let's begin.
1. There was the beautiful, almost deadpan response to the 'What are you wearing?' question.
"Some, like, trousers, some boots… My jumper? I think it’s from New Zealand... I cut the labels out of everything – they scratch me."
2. When asked about her "non-glamorous" Billboard photoshoot she didn't flinch and accepted the description as a compliment. (The interviewee later seemed surprised at her "genuinely pleased" reaction.)
"Oh thank you!... I did all the creative. I thought it was very cool, very 1990s".
3. Answering the obligatory Mockingjay question she talked about how Jennifer Lawrence actually got starstruck when meeting her for the first time, and the feeling was mutual.
"I remember looking over at Jen and her doing one of those quick waves, then turning away and hiding [her face]. And I’m like, ‘Did she just do that to me? Cos I want to do that to her!’ That was pretty cool."
4. She talked about her awareness of her image within the media.
"I’d just turned 16, and people were wanting me to do red carpets and I was, like, ‘I’m still getting used to how I look and I’m still growing.’ And I don’t want to just feel sad because someone said, ‘Ooh, she’s on the worst-dressed list!’ So I thought, ‘I don’t have to do this if I don’t want to.’ And it’s been so amazing and so stress-free not doing it. But I did it last night [at the Mockingjay premier] and it was fine."
5. On trying to portray the "fame-storm" to her young fans as realistically as possible.
"A lot of my audience, they’re younger than me or the same age, and a lot of the decisions I make are about trying to portray this whole weird… fame-storm that’s happening to me as realistically as possible. Because people don’t understand it. I don’t even understand it, and I’m, like, doing it. I want to show them that this is f**ing weird."
6. On her observations of teenage life.
"I don’t think it’s discipline as much as just wanting not to miss anything. I would be 14 or 15 and completely sober out of choice at a party, just watching everything. Trying to make sense of every weird thing that happens at a party with 15-year-olds. I knew from really young that that was something I was interested in and that would come out in my art – how my peers are interacting. Because the way teenagers are and the way they live is really special and really different to any other stage in life."
7. Her early awareness of feminist issues.
"Even at 14 I had this feminist idea: why should I have to deal with people commenting on what my legs look like? This music is cool. So I didn’t put a photo of myself out. But then it kind of kept going... and I realised that, if people my age are to get it in some way, I have to put myself out there for them."
8. On how the interviewer's admission that she "dresses more demurely" "as compared to her peers Rihanna, Iggy Azalea" and the "more restrained Ariana Grande" was just completely out of it.
"The stuff that I feel comfortable in, and beautiful and cool and strong in, is different to what this pop star or this indie musician feels comfortable in. I put on a suit and I’m like, ‘I’m a badass!’ And that to me is my daring. But if it happened to be a bra and undies that made me feel that way, why deny yourself that? In a world that is trying to tell women all the time that you can’t have something that you want for whatever reason…No, I don’t think about being demure."
9. Her response to the point that a young female artist is often seen to be a "diva-brat" while young male artists are seen as the "cool rock'n'roller".
"But I guess it happens to any successful female. They don’t even have to be young, they don’t have to be in this industry. People find it difficult to watch women being assertive or dominant. I know I’ve encountered it over and over and over, people thinking I’m being difficult for demanding a high standard. You encounter it basically daily when you’re the boss... and you’re a girl. Especially when I’m only just at drinking age and everyone’s like, ‘Why are you telling me what to do?"
10. On dealing with the response that she gets when she wants to do the lighting on her own show.
"It surprises me still that people are surprised that I want to sit at the lighting desk and do my own lighting design for my show. Why wouldn’t I want to do that? This is my show. I don’t know... It’s a strange thing. But I’m lucky enough that I work with a really great team, and I’ve managed to weed out the people who don’t want to be led by a 17- or 18-year-old girl. The people who work with me are happy to be working with me, and under me sometimes, which is a scary thing for a lot of adults."
11. The downside of fame for her is having to expose the people around her to it.
“Part of what is really difficult about being ‘new-famous’, as I call it, is having to watch the people that you really care about being subjected to the kind of scrutiny that they wouldn’t be normally. When people don’t know you and they’re making judgments, they look at you as they would a character on a TV show, or the CEO of a brand. They have no reason to spare anything, so they don’t. And I’m fine with that. It’s the trade-off. But I always feel bad for other people.”